Yeah,good idea, give up on on trying to win over England and the rest of Europe. And while we're at it, I'd suggest we consider giving up on liberal Jews in America as well.

So if this fraud called Intelligence Squared can't allow for an intelligent debate, doesn't it mean they're an oxymoron? .... Keep up the good fight Caroline...you're a modern day Maccabbean, thank you for what you do...

I am sure that you are disheartened and perhaps even appalled at the reception you received and the results of the debate. I would venture to say that while England might be at the forefront of the delegitimization your title should actually read Bye-bye Europe. Jews have no place in Europe anymore as seen by the increased antisemitic attacks. Aliyah is the only solution. Thanks once again for a job well done.

Welcome to post-Christian Europe. Secularization is just a stepping stone on the path to some non-Judeo-Christian belief system.

Evidently, the example set in the 20th century by Germany's experiment with neo-paganism under the nazis and Russia with atheism under the communists didn't result in enough bloodshed to deter the rest of Europe from following a similar path.

Caroline, I am saddened but not surprised by your experience in England. I am an American but spend time in Cardiff, Wales, between my visits to Israel. I want to encourage you. While many in the secular arena are drifting deeper into antisemitism, many in Christian circles are learning the value of Israel. Not all, mind you. Replacement theology still has a hold in many churches. Still, many Christians' eyes are opening to the truths of God's eternal promises to Israel as well as the Jewishness of the New Testament. As Jesus taught in the parable of the wheat and the tares, both the good and the bad will come into maturity together.

So these stupid British snobs would rather have the scummy moslems tell them what to wear and drink, have the moslem pedophiles groom their young women. The British bozos would rather have their towns and cities trashed by muslims than have the culture and business and peace brought by Jews. So, then, screw them, when the Jews all leave, they will see AGAIN, that when goodness goes, evil and ugliness remain. Let them rot in their anti-Semitism. And may the moslems shit more and more on them until they beg for the Jews, who will not return.

What else did you expect Caroline?

The British upper crust are among the most anti-Semitic Westerners. Horrible. They project the crimes of the British Empire onto Israel, land theft, genocide, oppression and brutality of native peoples all committed by the Empire in her heyday are simply transferred onto the Jew nation. If you don't get this, then you don't get it.

As a formerly British goy, I'm deeply embarrassed by your experience. I'm glad that Canada, where I now live, has become a friend and supporter of Israel.

Countries that expel their Jewish populations commit economic seppuku, which is why so much of the Middle East is an economic waste-land.

P.S. The "Tribal Update" is a weekly treat.

Keep up your good work and reporting Caroline
The Brits have been exceedingly peeved by Israel, because it was them that dishonored the Balfour agreement and Churchill who gave away 90% of the land promised to Israel to Jordan and Saudi Arabia for oil deals. the result by 1950 the British empire had shrunk to a miserable little island and a province in Ireland.
No wonder they were peeved, but as the Torah says in Genesis 12:3 as you have done unto Israel.... Shalom

I am very sorry to say Caroline, but living in Chicago now, I find that the majority or liberal Jews who are part of J-street have the same veiws. I continue to ask my children and friends the question if Jews of today where there 3500 years ago would there still be Jews today. I am very scared there would not be.

"So these stupid British snobs would rather have the scummy moslems tell them what to wear and drink, have the moslem pedophiles groom their young women."

British jews are in the forefront of the attack on the English Defence League, an organisation that is decidely plebian, and which during its 3 short years of existence, has been the most vociferous non-jewish zionist political movement in Britain (and probably in Europe). The number of jews who would speak out in support of this zionist organisation I could count on the fingers of one hand. Even the British neo-nazis and white supremacists despise the EDL for its zionism.

If you want individual examples of such stupidity by British jews I'll give it to you.

Caroline

I'm a non-Jewish Brit and I'm sorry that you encountered such mob hostility. One has to bear in mind that such a debate would bring the obsessive Israel bashers out in droves - people who are not exactly entirely representative of the UK as a whole. However, I agree there is a huge problem here, fuelled mostly by the BBC and the Guardian newspaper - both seem to hold sway over British opinion formers and elites (who are themselves mostly out of touch with the vast majority). Keep up the excellent work - I check your column every day.

Dear Caroline,
Great peace, I am afraid the US is not far behind the Brits in the upper exhalants of society and government. I’m really sorry it is that way. Israel and the Jews do not deserve this treatment. The New and Old Testament speaks of Israel having to stand alone, not that they have done anything wrong. Its just people hate God, because He said= He would bless those who bless Israel and curse those who don’t. And people just want to dare God to make good on that promise. It’s a way for them to show God their the boss. God bless you for keeping us informed on all this hate toward Israel. But some of us will never stop loving and speaking for Israel. God Bless Ivan

Don't worry. Jews are the chosen people, and Israel has the Lord's blessings. The time will come when all those ignorants will find out that by insulting Israel they are insulting the Lord. And, of course, they will regret it. God bless Israel, and God bless you.

Luis Fernando Bedoya

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/01/martin-luther-king-jr-was-a-proud-zionist.html

Fascinating comments. To keep it short I would suggest all of you looking into the Balford Decloration of, I think around 1918, giving the land then called Palestine, to the Jews. & 1948 when a UN resolution again gave this same land to the Jews. In turn the Jews welcomed any PEACFUL Arabs to stay and live there with them, though there were few.
Here I will now state the fact that the Bible says this land, at this time in history, will never again be taken from Israel. And those that try will suffer a horrible defete.

God also sad, amongst many other things.

" I will bless those who bless you (Israel), and curse those who curse you.

For many decades the US has been blessed. But due to are current treatment of our friend Israel, I believe the Lord's hand of blessing and protection are leaving the United States, where I just happen to live.

Don't be a hater. Opinions and history are fascinating.

Be careful what you do, ans what you say, for you own good.

Just food for thought,

David in the US.

After reading "Bye-bye London" where the crowd didn't know the difference between National Socialism and the EU's current InterNational Socialism, I'm sending you part of an explanation of what these things historically were.

It may help you in combating the ridiculous and perjorative notion that the Israelis are National Socialists.

It's become common to call Christians in the U.S. and Israelis/Jews "nazis" despite neither group actually fitting the description. The socialists now defame those against socialism just like the "useful idiots" have done.

"What IS Socialism?

There's been a lot of revisionist history and ignorance of history and government types in the last 15 years or so.

You read and hear terms like "Soviet", "Nazi", "Marxist", "Communist", "Socialist", "Fascist", "Maoist", and so on, but it's clear that the writer/speaker does not really know the history behind those terms.

But what are they?

No one in the mainstream media today seems to know what the terms actually mean, as evidenced by their generally improper usage of the terms. Nor do most conservative media. Nor do most laymen.

Many college professors now deliberately change their meanings to make their own evil philosophies more palatable.

So what are these terms? What did they mean before revisionist history became the norm in our colleges and media?

For starters, Communism, National Socialism, International Socialism, Parliamentary Socialism, Maoism, and Fascism, are all variants of the basic theme of Socialism. "

You may quote it if it is of use. It's normal for even our colleges to get these terms wrong, thanks to 20 years of revisionist history.

After reading "Bye-bye London" where the crowd didn't know the difference between National Socialism and the EU's current InterNational Socialism, I'm sending you part of an explanation of what these things historically were.

It may help you in combating the ridiculous and perjorative notion that the Israelis are National Socialists.

It's become common to call Christians in the U.S. and Israelis/Jews "nazis" despite neither group actually fitting the description. The socialists now defame those against socialism just like the "useful idiots" have done.

"What IS Socialism?

There's been a lot of revisionist history and ignorance of history and government types in the last 15 years or so.

You read and hear terms like "Soviet", "Nazi", "Marxist", "Communist", "Socialist", "Fascist", "Maoist", and so on, but it's clear that the writer/speaker does not really know the history behind those terms.

But what are they?

No one in the mainstream media today seems to know what the terms actually mean, as evidenced by their generally improper usage of the terms. Nor do most conservative media. Nor do most laymen.

Many college professors now deliberately change their meanings to make their own evil philosophies more palatable.

So what are these terms? What did they mean before revisionist history became the norm in our colleges and media?

For starters, Communism, National Socialism, International Socialism, Parliamentary Socialism, Maoism, and Fascism, are all variants of the basic theme of Socialism. "

You may quote it if it is of use. It's normal for even our colleges to get these terms wrong, thanks to 20 years of revisionist history.

Caroline - as a Brit, I am sorry and embarrassed that you had this experience, but I would like to give you a wider picture.

Britain has its fair share of the bien-pensant type; those who need to display what can only be described as social piety. I have no idea how the Intelligence Squared debate audience was selected, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least to find it as skewed as many of our political programs. Hand picked, as it were, and unbalanced.

I do not make excuses for the ignorance on display - at least, not among these socially pious beings, but I would like to make a few points about the UK in general where personally, I think the ordinary person on the street, aware of the issues we face, would come out on Israel's side - if only they knew it.

As Melanie Phillips pointed out on Israeli TV, Israel has been absent from the battleground of ideas; absent from the arena in which media and PR are now so very important. Until recently, it has not fought against our biased media, leaving the path clear for the Palestinian narrative to take seed. I cannot begin to tell you how keenly this absence has been felt by those of us trying to advocate for Israel.

Yes, this has improved since around 2009/2010, and a few more associations have come into being, but we do need more. Al-Jazeera - among other foreign TV stations - are able to broadcast their message - why not Israel?

I don't say thise simply because I work in support of Israel but also because my own country would only benefit by truly being able to grasp the issues you face. They may be our own issues in the future.

So - again, I am so sorry you have had this awful experience, but do remember the many who do fight on Israel's side. These are the known - like Douglas Murray, Mel Phillips, Robin Shepherd (to name but a few); the MP's who spoke up for Israel during the recent military operation, the bloggers (some quite high-profile) - and the ordinary folk like me. We aren't prepared to give up because it's still all to play for - if we can just get the media and PR support.

Larry from Tel Aviv

Among a certain type of Brit I suspect you may be right. There does seem to be a degree of projection and self-flagellation by proxy.

That said, the Telegraph - a reasonable newspaper - ran an article written by Nabil Shaath, entitled something like "Britain must atone for its sins against the Palestinians". This appeal to guilt and colonialism seems to be the latest theme in the Palestinian narrative here in the UK. But by way of a change, I think they've struck the wrong note. Which surprises me because the Palestinians are quite canny in knowing what makes the Western mind baulk and the Western eye weep. It plays us like fiddles - but, as I said, perhaps not with this particular theme.

The below-the-line comments on Shaath's article were a joy. To say he got very short shrift would be the polite term! Maybe the ordinary Brit - not the fasionable bien-pensants I've mentioned - are not buying this blatanly transparent piece of propaganda.

I'm British. I live in NZ and am a citizen here. Next year my wife and I are going to Israel to visit the City of Peace.
We have to go via London but we are not stopping because we would rather spend more time in the Glorious Land.
The people of Britain are sorry for how they have treated the Israelites. And the more we curse you the more sorry your God will make us. Don't be angry with us, pray that the God of Israel will have pity on us. Shalom Caroline. Yohanan.

Thank u 4 taking the time 2 show us what is happening in Britain. Please continue to write and inform. We appreciate u greatly.

There is a meme picking up steam.. that the Zionists are responsible for the systematic flooding of Europe with muslims.

Just wanted to mention that because it's such a stupid conspiracy theory but the Jew haters want so much to blame everything on Jews

I am a Torah and New Testament eschatologist and can give you no immediate good news regarding world opinion of Israel.

Israel will be on its own in the 'last days', but we are told that Jerusalem will be a stumbling stone, a rock of offence to all nations that try to take her from her Jewish tenants.

The Jewish people are going to be battered as never before in history but a remnant will survive and so Israel the nation will be saved.

I was born in 1941 but have read much on the rise of Nazism. I believe WW3 is fast approaching.

Dear Caroline,

I want to express my profound gratitude to you for the courage and perseverance you show on behalf of your people and their national home in Israel. It is rare in Britain to hear this side of the story as it is too often the case for this side to be characterised in absenteeism by those who argue against the legitimacy of the Jewish State. You are not to be downhearted because the vote went the way it did. I think we know in our heart of heart's that it would go that way. What you said stirred my heart and I want you to know there are those outdo of Israel and the Jewish family who support you, who love Israel and her citizens, and will stand with you always.

we had the opposite reaction when we went on the coach tour last summer with ordinary middle class educated people. The upper classes have always been antisemitic in UK. Remember what happened before the second world war - they were all ready to side with Hitler. The army and the police in UK are anti muslem

Let's get this straight. Their resolution reads "Israel is destroying itself with its settlement policy. If settlement expansion continues Israel will have no future."

This assumes that Israel is legitimate, yet your debate partners consider the very existence of Israel to be immoral? This cannot possibly lead to anything other that what you described.

I am amazed that you are surprised.

There is no future for Jews in Europe. Yes very true. In fact there is no future for Europe as a European democratic state.

Move to Canada - we have a pro-Israel government, we still have free speech, and are always looking for intelligent and reasoned debate.

The only downside(s) are miserable winters and a growing and worrisome chattering left but so far so good!

I just wish Israel would be a bit more hardline and not so wishy washy when dealing with the Palestinians.

There should be no settlement problems because the Palestinians shouldn't have any land at all of their own.

I think Israel just needs to get the bulldozers goingm, and the army, and demonstrate that properly to the world.

I'm sure public opinion will come round once there arent any Palestinians left to bleat about their homes and children. I think then even Britain will once again become a safe place to promote radical Zionism.

I hope so.

The whole world witnessed God going back to Israel in the 60's already fulfilling Bible prophecies, so what is the problem? The world making God a liar?

Welcome to the IDE.

The Islamic Domains of Europe.

Color it green, stay away.

I agree wholeheartedly with Toasty. Making Israel Arabrein is long overdue because the Palestinians are a fifth column and they should therefore be deported to Jordan where they already have a state of their own since 1921 long before the Second World War in which the
Holocaust occurred.

As a German, I'm not surprised. In Germany it's probably even a bit worse, but I suppose, you can generalize it as being European (except Czechia perhaps, don't know). I'm thinking about leaving for this reason and I'm not jewish.

The,supposedly and self-opinionated London upper crust is not representative of England. Your encounter reminds me of the old Greek proverb "whom the gods wish to destroy they first send mad". Your audience had made up its mind not to listen, they are not interested in reasoned argument, they just like to listen to their own voice. Not only does Israel have and always had, a very poor PR machine but it is not aggressive enough, here they are only frightened of Muslims throwing bombs, they should bequally afraid of Israel if it would only do the same. There is too much explaining this and that at great length with few listeners having the attention span. Why not say that it is the Arabs who stole Jewish land which has been Israel's since time immemorial and proceed from there. It is, after all, true. Actually things are not as bad in the provinces. I live in Suffolk and it was only this morning that I spoke at assembly to 15-year olds at a Catholic school about my experience of the Holocaust, they are keen and I hope that I left them with a better understanding of the "Jewish Question" and the need for a "Judenstaat". They certainly gave the impression. Don't waste your time on the ignorant, or Am ha'aretz as we used to say.

Hang in there Caroline.
More people than you know are leaning on you.

The same thing that tried to destroy the Jews in Europe was flipped on its head and allowed the Jewish people from all nations to return to their homeland. Palestine was never a country it was a Roman Fortress. FACT. there is only one thing we can conclude from this the Spirit Of Anti Christ(or the Psudo Christ spirit)is at the heart of this. After what the nazi's did in europe and all these countries are embracing facism are they blind or just uneducated. Or those that mixed there seed with the women of europe were infected with this spirit.Just as Palestine over time the more they bred larger and larger families and now demand a voice. This is a common move by islamist culture grow your families and then demand more and more using out democratic systems to further their facist sharia agenda (one vote once only). Its easy for people to judge thats how yah spot a facist they are always judging others.

Every time I read of the fanatical Jew-hatred in Britain, it ,akes you wonder why the Brits even bothered fighting the Nazis when, given their hatred of Jews, they probably sympathized with them every bit as much as Edward VIII, who at least was open about it.

I was quite saddened to read of the behavior of my cousins across the sea. As a Christian who believes Yeshua to be the Messiah spoken of in the Hebrew Bible I am blessed by God's chosen people and will always support Israel and her right to the land given her as promised to Abraham, Issac and Jacob. -Mike Tilson - Cypress, CA

As someone who has visited London over a dozen times for business and pleasure, it saddens me to know that I will most likely never visit London again.

I guess they have forgotten what God said in Genesis about those who bless Israel will be blessed etc... It sure looks like England and the rest of Europe are "going to hell in a handbasket" as the saying goes.

What a terrible experience! But keep in mind, before you dismiss the entire UK, that it may be that this particular event brought out the rabid anti-Israel freaks in disproportionate numbers.

Not just England, but the rest of the UK. Its the same in Scotland when ever i bring this up
Correct. only because they can shout at nl one else.
Dont give up, God will give you all you need & yes its so hard to stand at times, but stand we most.
This country has taken Islam into its bosom, this country will pay the price
God bless you
Ron

This article from Caroline Glick is both emotive and myopic in my strong opinion.

She attends a privileged 'debate' in the heart of the capital amongst a selected few half-wits and, surprise surprise, she finds that they're anti-Israel and is shocked. These people have been biassed against jews since time immemorial and nothing's changed.

But, what about the average indigenous British person? I'm talking about the ones who haven't got time to attend fancy 'debates' in London because they're out working for a living. And how do they usually feel? As a workman myself (tree surgeon and landscape gardener) I can testify that I have never heard any overt anti-semitism in my life from common, working people. We leave that to the illustrious ones in the media and in Parliament. At the worst, indigenous English people are indifferent about jews and Israel. Probably that's wrong, and I myself do what little I can in trying to address this problem, but CG does them a grave injustice by her ill-informed comments about their perceived anti-semitism. Her co-religionist, Levy, and the foreign-named Sieghart, are undoubtedly anti-semites. What else is new? So was Marx and so is Soros and so was Amos Oz. Let Glick go and fight with her fellow jews, most English people would be quite happy to be left alone.

As a final word, I presume she is referring contemptuously to the ordinary Englishman when she speaks of the 'unwashed rabble rousers'. My goodness me, if Caroline Glick wants to gain respect for having a clear and fair mind then she needs to break free of the closed circle of 'debaters' and experience the real world before she attempts to make a judgment.

anti-semitic b.s. is one the rise on collage campus' but most church goers support israel against Nazi ragheads.i think israel should nuke the ragheads before the do it to you.i have no use for mooselums or their supporters

I watched the debate online and while I found that the most disgusting comment was made from the floor by some insignificant oik, who compared Israel to the Nazis, I was nevertheless more dismayed by the outright lie which William Sieghart opened his talk with.

William Sieghart presented the infamous four maps claiming that mandatory Palestine belongs to the Arabs, who nowadays call themselves Palestinians. The first map (essentially a map of Israel) was shown as 100 percent of Palestine before 47. (No mention of Trans Jordan). The second map showed the partition proposal. Here again William Sieghart lied when he claimed that the areas not given to Israel under the proposal were “Palestinian land”. He ignored the fact that to become “Palestinian land” the Palestinians had to accept the partition resolution, which they never did. With regards to the third map, again William Sieghart lied by claiming that the land occupied by Jordan and Egypt after 48 was “Palestinian land”, ignoring the fact that through most of that period (48 – 67) there wasn’t any Palestinian authority or any Palestinian organization. The organization that came to be in 1964, the PLO, was only concerned with the land within Israel’s borders and with carrying out terror attacks against Israelis. The fourth map William Sieghart showed was of area A, given to the Palestinian authority through the Oslo agreement. William Sieghart on the other hand claimed that this is all that the Palestinians are left with, having lost (according to him) the whole of Israel. He failed to mention that Area A is the only land that has ever had Palestian sovereignty and is therefore the most land they ever had. This was given to them through a peace agreement with Israel, an agreement that they have continually violated from day one.

In support of his fiction, William Sieghart showed maps coloured in yellow and white. Yellow, deceitfully, was showing Mandatory Palestine in one map and what he claimed to be Palestinian Land in the other maps. Given that Mandatory Palestine has nothing to do with “Palestinian Land” and the name simply denotes a geographical area, it is quite obvious that William Sieghart was trying to con his audience to think that the name implies ownership by some people who took that name much later. Furthermore, in his fiction William Sieghart never mentioned the Jewish Palestinians who lived in this land, nor did he mention the 1.5 million Arabs who live in Israel now. Conveniently, according to William Sieghart, they do not exist and their land too was taken from the mass of the fictional “Palestinian land”.

William Sieghart, while having the appearance of an “English Gentleman” is nothing of the kind. He is a shame to his education and to his class.

Global & specially Europe anti-semitism stresses the need for Israel to expand to accomodate more Aliyahs.

I suggest the world reads Isaiah Chapter 43. It describes God's favourites, how much he loves them and what he will do for them.

Post Israeli elections – a conversation.
The World: “Israel has become right wing!”
Israel: “Wait! Likud and Israel Beiteinu lost height. You call them “right wing” but they lost a lot of votes. Right?”
The World: “Yes, but what about the rise of HaBayit HaYehudi?”
Israel: “They increased their vote, true, but so did Meretz, and they can’t be called “right wing.”
Silence.
Israel: And the Arab parties seem to have increased their seats to twelve.”
More silence.

Any video of this?

As the recently departed from us Michael Winner, would say: "Calm down dear" :-) The reality is that the well dressed antagonists who were in attendance at the debate, are the great unwashed mob of that particular strata of the UK's civil society which masquerades as its intelligentsia class. The mistake made, was to not assertively and verbally bulldoze them out of the way, since they are, as the saying goes: All mouth and no trousers. For example: Anjem Choudary of Islam4Uk was given enough BBC airtime to roar his head off, so that he rapidly reached the point where his "what have the Romans ever done for us?" accusations, fell prey to the actualities of that which the Romans had done. After which, he was recognised as the loon that he is. And dismissed accordingly. So... London will have the pleasure of hosting you again, then, this 2013.

Caroline, there is a connection between your experience in the UK, and what you described about Michelle Bachman in your previous column. You shouldnt really expect a rational, civilized, discussion of the position you represent. As you point out when observing Bachman, the mob you encountered were there to annihilate an opponent. Not to conduct a discussion. But you came to conduct a rational discussion.

The BBC and Guardian and some other media outlets have ,in my opinion, been the cause if increasing anti semitism in the UK. But remember the support Hitler had in the UK before the last war. These people forget that the whole of Arabia is now "Juden rein" in the very best nazi tradition. They also selectively forget the number of Muslim Arab MK's doctors civil servants and soldier living in Israel.

Caroline, Thank you for continuing to blog while writing your book. The elections in the U.S. and Israel are over and I've just read an article by Daniel Pipes on Obama's anti-Zionism. I've protested the senior cabinet appointments Obama has made and now need to turn in another direction. I'm asking if you can blog regarding action to be taken (petitions, letters, memberships, reading) to contribute to a turn around of what is happening, anticipated but long hoped wouldn't happen.

Why isnt anyone looking at the bigger picture?,I am not into politics,however I am spiritual.Hilter killed 15 million people which must people deny it to this day;the world can point its finger at us ,jews and Israel but the people who hate us hate themselves more and it will all come back on them.The higher vibration of this world knows who killing people and greedy. If anything does happen against the jews or Isaerl,WE WILL ALL GO DOWN.Lets all live together peacefully.Take no notice of ignorant people they are lost souls who need to learn to love themselves.We have mobile phone,emails yet we still use volience and kill each other for what??Why is the world against Israel,you should all be ashamed of yourselves BULLIES THE LOT OF YOU!!!A woman should run the world and she would feed the children of tomorrow not kill them

all of my native born friends in the UK have left the UK for Canada and Australia or nz. these people were prosperous but hated what the immigration policies have done to the UK.
I have not been to London in 5 years I can buy my shoes on jermyn street on the web so why put up with the atmosphere

When two groups are in conflict, the liberal mind's tendency is to simply split the difference. Their idea is that no one group is better than any other in any way, so if there is conflict between two groups you can't just take one side. The liberal's best guess is thus to come out in the middle. That's why even this conference was presented in terms of what is best for Israel - at least publicly they have to treat Israel with some modicum of respect as well.

The upshot is we must keep the settlements. The liberal sees Israel seeking the entire land and its adversaries seeking the entire land. So it splits the difference and says Israel should keep half and give up the settlements. The problem is that giving up would just move the goal post - the adversaries would keep up their efforts and then there would just be a smaller pie for the liberals to again try to split.

My advice: stay strong and stand firm.

Have you seen the video of sharia enforcers in the streets of London? Enjoy your bright future under sharia law, Britain. You have chosen millions of jihadists who wish to destroy your country over civilized, law-abiding, productive and peaceful Jews. How’s that workin out for you, Brits? You deserve everything you are getting.

I work in Britain (Edinburgh), and so far, did not get such treatment. I am being treated with respect. The Scotmen I meet do not assume a lot. When they hear that proud Muslim serve as trackers in the Israeli army, and Druz serve, with honour, they seem surprised, but they are not immutable to facts, or call me a liar. What that you are decribing reminds me of an episode described in the amazing book "Why do People Belive in Weird Stuff". A historian commented about the theory that Plato plagiarized his writings from Nubian kings. How? By reading about them in the large library of Alexandria. Her comment was "Plato died 3 years before they started building the library. That's impossible". The public's reaction was similar to what you have described. Calling her a racist, and other slurs (facts were irrelevant...) By Ivy league students, no less!

I just left a very long post, but it disappeared. So I just leave you my little blog entry.

http://littlenotesfromparis.blogspot.com.au/2013/01/a-jew-free-palestine.html

Meanwhile I have seen the whole IQ debate, no wonder England is finished. What a horrid little country with a horrid little people etc. etc.

Caroline,

the crowd you faced operates on a narrative, a handful of memes and on a virtual reality -- such as the infamous fake map they keep carrying around despite it being nonsensical. Facts don't touch them. There is a method that works against their lunacy, it gets at their narratives and fallacious arguments, undermines them and stops them from spreading.
This is a professional linguistic-argumentative approach, I have colleagues with academic backgrounds with whom we have been developing, testing and working with this method with very good result. In Europe, of all places, so all hope is not yet lost :)

Let me know if you're interested, we'd be happy to elaborate. You're a front figure of this difficult fight, and it can be won but it takes deliberate preparation and specialized knowledge. You can find my contact details at my registration info.

Kol tuv,
A.

England is past the point of no return. They will be destroyed by a United States of Europe in World War III.

A new strong man with the same spirit as Adolf Hitler will lead this final revival of the Holy Roman Empire.

This new superpower will stun the world.

They will ultimately prove to be the greatest war making machine the world has ever seen.

Both America and Britain are too weak and too politically correct to stop the spread of Islam infiltrating their ranks.

The Germans will stop the spread of Islam in Europe when the new "Hitler" takes control launching a blitzkrieg attack against Iran and Egypt - then wiping out and defeating America and Britain who will fall together in World War III.

And he [the new strong man in Europe] will have the blessing of the Vatican.

Germany and the Vatican have the financial resources to possess the best and most sophisticated weapons of war in the world.

I made a comment back on the 22nd and am sorry to say that I need to withdraw some of the strength of the comment. The Readers Comments at the foot of the Article in the Link below from the Daily Mail has persuaded me that there may well be a problem at the grassroots level of British Society. I do still feel, however, that generally British people are not vicious haters, they are, rather, mis-informed. They believe what the wretched left-wing media tell them. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2268344/David-Ward-Lib-Dem-MP-FINALLY-apologies-unintended-offence.html

Please note, however, that the leading Israel basher is herself a Jew.

I don't understand why you or Dayan participated in this event.

What did you think the outcome would be?

Did you think these hopeless trolls would weigh your arguments and draw intelligent decisions?

Appears Brits may actually be surpassing French as anti-semitism goes. Never thought I'd see that.

It is difficult to convince an audience that has already made up its mind that anything you say includes truth. There are many in Europe and here in America that believe the occupation is an affront to human dignity and that the continuing expansion of settlements whether in territory that will remain a part of Israel in a final status deal or not is an act of further usurpation and a policy to prevent the negotiation of a peace agreement. The appearance of a cartoon in the London Times that was difficult to view because of its pandering to the worst kind of anti-Semitism underlines the fault lines of a conflict that increasingly feeds the hate and fears of those on either extreme.

The scene depicted by Caroline Glick is indeed very depressing. However, whenever I have attended an Israel event, rally or whatever, I have been heartened by the support of non Jewish people. These are predominantly Christian people, but in my journey through of life, I have had the amazing experience of encountering a pro Israel Muslim. Do not give in to despair. Easier said than done, I know!

Caroline's points were amazingly lucid, logical and rational. I was appalled that the Hamas apologists outnumbered the side of reason by 5 to 1!

As a non-Jewish Canadian with experience of the region, both with Israel "proper" and the "West Bank", and having learned extensively the history of the region from all perspectives, it reaffirms my observation that many in the UK and the West in general have fallen so badly from decades of red-green propaganda that the mass delusion should be recognized as an epidemic of mental illness.

I likewise have no interest in returning to the UK. They (and the rest of the Western democracies) are so infected by the fifth column and have so much taken leave of our senses against all reason, are in for some very rude awakenings.

As a British Jew, I would like to point out that Britain is not all bad.
The debate Caroline participated in was bombarded by champagne leftists looking for a fight. This was made obvious by the fact that the majority of people attending the debate had already made up their minds to demonise Israel.
Therefore I can say that the debate and others like it will attract the morons taking up their righteous cause.
The rest of society, in my humble opinion, is apathetic.

I am commentimg after being referred to your article from the Spectator.

Your experience does not surprise me.

This has been gathering a head of steam since I was in college back in the 1980s.

I have been increasingly worried by the growing uncritical acceptance of the Palestinian narrative without any attempt as far as I could see to counter it from Jewish organisations.

I know that I am not the only non-Jew that is worried by this.

In one or two instances I have tried to actively contact Jewish organisations to suggest action and offering to participate - to no avail. Not so much as a response.

I can only assume they think I am bogus, or perhaps some sort of Christian fundamentalist fruit loop. I am neither.

Action is required and its time Jewish organisations in the UK started gathering their alies.

What a shameful display of ignorance by the British audience. Unfortunately I have many discussions with people who think like them. They all seem to read the Guardian (wouldn't touch the Mail, my dear)newspaper and obtain their information from the BBC. Big mistake. Worse than that there are churches who are told to boycott Israeli goods while I find it increasingly difficult to find any. As a Bible-believing Christian in the UK I find this despicable. No wonder the former British Empire has fallen so far from God's grace since we reneged on the Balfour deal.

I'm one of those English 'rabble' you refer to. I never really cared much about Israel, until I educated myself on the issue that Israel faces. Whilst I'm not keen on the religious aspect of Zionism (the idea that a religion gives you a say in who's land it is is frankly stupid), I'm otherwise quite strongly pro-Israel. I now believe that Israel is in the forefront of the war against the West and everything we hold dear. The anti-democratic decision made by many European governments to allow increasingly large and ghettoised Muslim minorities will, I think, be our downfall. We've seen the evidence of what this has brought to my country (the UK) and others very much like us.

I stand with Israel. You are fighting the good fight - for freedom and against exterminationist religious barbarians. Look after yourself, Caroline. Am Yisrael Chai.

From one of the 'rabble'.

I made Aliyah from the UK in 2008 and I have been wanting to return to London for some time now, thankfully, I am returning after the summer.

If anyone thinks making Aliyah is the answer for everything then think again, Israel is great for a holiday but at times an absolute NIGHTMARE to live in. I dont think that expecting Jews to leave comfy London or Manchester to pack up and leave and move to live in Israel where everything is waaaaay more expensive and earn the same salary they had when they were 21 at 35yo is the answer then think again!

Unless you have made aliyah you wont understand, Israel isnt for everyone and to be honest I never experiences anti semetism in the UK. If anything, I'd find it harder to be muslim or a different race there.

Anyway, I am back soon and I CANNOT WAIT!!

Israel, I will always love you but sort yourself out, I couldnt be bothered pretending its all ok and that it will be get better.

Obviously you wont publish this letter...

I AM CALLING FOR A NATIONAL BOYCOTT BY JEWS OF ANY INTERFAITH HOLOCAUST PROGRAM WHERE HATIKAVAH IS INTENTIONALLY EXLUDED DUE TO MUSLIM PRESSURE OR CLERGY WHO SUPPORT THE PALESTINIAN CAUSE. PLEASE GET THE WORD OUT. RABBI DR. BERNHARD ROSENBERG

Please DO come back to Britain.

We need more from you, not less.

Whilst,the more I understand the situation, I have become increasingly sympathetic to Israel your explanation about the rights of Jews to live in in Arab areas, the legality of building on purchased land and the continuing plight of Christians in Gaza has further illuminated me.

Thank you.

Just as in the 1930s there were Nazi-sympathisers amongst the British establishment so again today.The Arab Palestinians have defined a new level of evil, setting the bar at rock bottom with their complete disregard for human life, even their own. So again people are choosing to be aligned with this; in the fullness of time we will not accept their grovelling apologies.

Off-'n-on, there've been reports of Jews singled out for physical assault in France. Media there takes pains to minimize them, ascribing them to marginal groups like neo-nazis and the like. I don't recall hearing or reading of anything similar in U.K. Comments?

I AM CALLING FOR A NATIONAL BOYCOTT BY JEWS OF ANY INTERFAITH HOLOCAUST PROGRAM WHERE HATIKAVAH IS INTENTIONALLY EXLUDED DUE TO MUSLIM PRESSURE OR CLERGY WHO SUPPORT THE PALESTINIAN CAUSE. PLEASE GET THE WORD OUT. RABBI DR. BERNHARD ROSENBERG

. I have bowed out of the local interfaith Holocaust service, because it was a custom to include Hatikvah at the end, but now some Christian groups object as they support the Palestinians and the Muslim Imams would either sit or leave during the Hatikvah. Perhaps interfaith Holocaust programs no longer make sense, at least to me. I do not need the stress of seeing disrespect being afforded to Israel and nor do I wish to compromise by leaving Hatikvah out. This is a personal choice and I DO NOT ADVOCATE ANYONE NOT PARTICIPATING IN ANY INTERFAITH HOLOCAUST SERVICE. I INTRODUCED INTERFAITH HOLOCAUST SERVICES IN 1974 AND WAS ONE OF THE FIRST IF NOT THE FIRST TO DO SO. This was a difficult decision for me based on personal principle. The interfaith Holocaust memorials started as well intentioned way for the Jewish people and other groups to pause and reflect on man's capacity to perpetuate unbelievable cruelty against his fellow and to commiserate as a group and oHolocaust survivors and athers, with the Jews and hopefully prevent this nightmare from reoccurring. Over the years it was understandably modified to include other victims of genocidal mass killings, though these mass killings were not really analogous, as the Nazis were obsessed at not just killing Jews as a competing group, but Hitler desired to eliminate our creed and it's pervasive influence on humanity, particularly Christian doxy. As a result of Muslim participation and twisted liberalism, this is morphing into a twisted canard where Israel is being blamed for perpetuating ethnic killings against the Palestinians as the Jews were slaughtered by the Nazis. One can understand the Islamo-Nazis belief system with a quote from the Talmud. We do not see things as they are. We see them as we are. RABBI DR. BERNHARD ROSENBERG, CHILD OF refugee born in a D.P. camp.

Thank goodness for Theodore Herzl. His assessment of the predicament of the Jewish nation and his strenuous efforts on its behalf are being proved right every day.